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Transcript: Anwar Ibrahim interviewed by Financial Times

Financial Times – The FT’s Assif Shameen spoke to Anwar Ibrahim, Malaysia’s opposition leader, about the sodomy charges that he faces and his intent to return to politics. The following is an edited transcript of the interview.

Financial Times: There are reports that you will be arrested and charged imminently. Clearly, you don’t think they have a case?

Anwar Ibrahim: First of all, with all the evidence that is now before them, I don’t see any reason why the authorities should continue with these investigations of alleged sodomy. There is this medical report, which is authentic, very clear. A doctor who examined the accuser clearly ruled out any alleged sodomy.

In any other system where there is justice and fairness, the powers would have by now shut down the investigations and cleared my name. But here in Malaysia, in our so-called police state, it is the intent of the officials, particularly the Inspector General of Police, Musa Hassan, which seems to matter most.

This is the same man who was involved in my case in 1998 when I was blind folded and brutally assaulted. I have filed a complaint against him citing his involvement. But instead of addressing pressing economic problems like soaring inflation, the government is trying to divert public attention with this filthy sodomy charade.

Financial Times: The government says it must proceed with the sodomy complaint in accordance with law. If you are innocent, as you say, why not just cooperate with investigators?

Anwar Ibrahim: I am cooperating and I have cooperated. Even though I was never shown a copy of the complaint filed by the accuser or officially told exactly what I am being accused of, I have cooperated with the police and tried to answer all their questions.

You have probably heard the reports of how they came to arrest me, how I was forced to strip at a government and how I was forced to stay in a cell overnight. All this was staged to humiliate me. On my part, I have provided them fool-proof evidence, alibi. There are no grounds whatsoever for them to proceed any further.

On the other hand, there is compelling evidence of a deliberate and persistent attempt to incriminate me. Why else would they not show me a copy of my accuser’s complaint after six weeks? Why else do they insist on my DNA or blood samples after they have seen a medical report that clearly says that the accuser was never sodomised?

Because they want to fabricate evidence. This is what they did in 1998. Just look at their track record. The players are same, the police chief, the attorney general. Same people using same tricks.

Financial Times: Why do you think the authorities are doing this to you?

Anwar Ibrahim: Because they are terrified. Because their corrupt system is crumbling. You see, these are desperate people. They have decided that they must finish the man who stands between them and power.

You must realise the ruling party [Barisan Nasional coalition] lost badly in the March election. It was their worst showing ever. They were humiliated. They won just half of the total votes and even that was after they had disallowed the use of indelible ink which would have stopped cheating.

I see this as a political ploy and a personal vendetta by the Police chief and his political masters whose main aim is to disbar me from active politics for life.

Financial Times: You said last weekend that you will soon trigger a by-election to re-enter parliament and move a motion of no confidence in the government before mid-September. Do you have enough defectors from the ruling party to pull the rug?

Anwar Ibrahim: I will announce next week exactly when and where I will contest. But yes, I am now ready to re-enter parliament. I was disbarred from contesting during the March general elections but now I am able to contest.I am confident that when we do move the motion, we will have the numbers.

You see, the reason why they are making all these accusations against me is precisely because they know their days are numbered. We have the numbers. We have the support. They want to stop me before we throw them out.

Financial Times: Your opposition Pakatan coalition has been described as a dysfunctional group riddled with in-fighting. Indeed, the Islamist group PAS has talked with the ruling UMNO-led group about power sharing. Can the Pakatan coalition hold while you are tied up answering criminal charges in court?

Anwar Ibrahim: Yes, our coalition will hold and remain united. In any coalition there are bound to be some disagreements. We are also a new coalition and I admit there have been some teething problems. But I am in touch with the leaders of PAS and our other partner, DAP, almost on a daily basis. We are united in our goal to have a more open, transparent, fair and just system.

I am aware that some PAS people met with UMNO leaders soon after the March elections. But PAS leaders have assured me that they have no desire of leaving the Pakatan (coalition) and joining (the ruling coalition) Barisan or merging with UMNO. They have kept me informed of their meetings with UMNO.

What has happened in the last few weeks is that government-controlled media through careful leaks, manipulation and distortion of statements has created this fairy tale that PAS and UMNO are about to merge or share power. Having lost the support of the people, UMNO is now trying to divide our coalition.

But let me tell you: PAS is not joining UMNO. There are currently no ongoing talks of power sharing at any level between UMNO and PAS. If UMNO leaders believe they can rely on PAS or other members of Pakatan to save their sinking ship, they are dreaming. UMNO leaders want to lure PAS only because they are eager to regain control of the state governments which used to award their cronies all the lucrative contracts and they are willing to team up even with a party they have demonised all these years. But PAS leaders are wiser.

Financial Times: You have been outspoken about the removal of fuel subsidies and how high inflation, sluggish economic growth and falling investments are hurting Malaysia. How bad is it?

Anwar Ibrahim: It’s actually getting worse. I have been going around the country on this road show to explain the issues and people come up to me complaining how they can no longer make ends meet. It’s not just the fuel prices but food and other essentials.

Government ministers say the people should just change their lifestyles if they think inflation is a problem, instead of providing solutions. An inflation of 7.7 per cent is the highest it has been in decades, the Ringgit is weakening, unemployment is rising, there is a big budget deficit, stock market is down 20 per cent this year. All the indicators are bad. This year growth might fall to 4 per cent. There is global economic slowdown and the US is in a recession.

It’s quite sad because Malaysia is the only oil exporting country in Asia. We were supposed to benefit from this boom in commodities. But they have been squandering everything. There is no transparency with Petronas [state oil company]. Nobody knows where all the billions of profits go.

Malaysia is losing its competitiveness at a time when India, China, Vietnam are coming up. Foreign investments are falling and factories are moving to China or Vietnam. There is no long term planning or vision. Our ministers waste most of their time in political intrigue instead of trying to help make the country more competitive. That’s why people support our call for change.

Financial Times: What happens if you are indeed arrested and charged?

Anwar Ibrahim: As I said, they really have no case. Every 10 years they seem to recycle the same filth. I was sacked from the government, arrested, blindfolded, assaulted and thrown in jail. After six years, a court found me “not guilty.” The track record of these people is well known. They will stop at nothing, they have a track record of fabricating evidence and threatening witnesses.

The Attorney General is the same man who was involved in my case in 1998. But this not 1998 when we had iron-fist rule of (then Prime Minister) Dr Mahathir (Mohamad). They may control the mainstream media but there are now other avenues for people to find the truth.

There is internet, YouTube, mobile phones, text messages. All the surveys and opinion polls conducted in recent weeks show that 70 to 80 per cent of Malaysians believe that these allegations are part of a larger political conspiracy to get me out of the picture. I am encouraged by the support I have received from all over the country. But government ministers are already thumbing their nose at international opinion or foreign leaders who have expressed concern at the way the whole thing has been handled.

Their attitude is: so what if the whole world thinks we are wrong, as long as the end justifies the means, we will do it. They don’t care if Malaysia becomes a laughing stock and nobody invests here, as long as they remain in power.

I am innocent and I am confident that I will clear my name.

News : Sex, power and party politics

Anwar Ibrahim, the Malaysian opposition leader, said on Thursday he would run for a parliamentary seat, which his wife would vacate, even though he faced imminent arrest on charges of allegedly sodomising a former aide.

Mr Anwar told the Financial Times that he was gathering support for a “no confidence” motion to be filed in the next six weeks, which could oust the National Front government that has ruled the country since independence from Britain 50 years ago. He also dismissed suggestions the opposition coalition might be cracking.

Mr Anwar was barred from contesting general elections in March after being found guilty of alleged abuse of power relating to an earlier sodomy conviction, which was later overturned. However, the opposition’s unprecedented success in that vote has left it fewer than 30 votes short of a parliamentary majority in the 222-seat legislature, and the restriction on his campaigning has expired.

Even if charged, Mr Anwar could still compete in a by-election and, if successful, fill the seat currently held by his wife, Wan Azizah Wan Ismail. Under these circumstances, he could be removed only if he were convicted and exhausted all appeals.

An official told Reuters on Thursday Mr Anwar faced formal charges “any time now”. Under Malaysian law, sodomy is punishable by up to 20 years in prison. Meanwhile, Mr Anwar told the FT that the latest allegations were “a political ploy”.

“Instead of addressing pressing economic problems like soaring inflation, the government is trying to divert public attention with this filthy sodomy charade,” he said. “Our ministers waste their time in political intrigue instead of trying to help make the country more competitive.”

The authorities have hurried to wrap up their investigations after the leaking this week of a medical report by a doctor who had examined Mr Anwar’s accuser after the alleged assault and found no signs of injury.

Local media have recently speculated that the three-party opposition Pakatan coalition informally led by Mr Anwar could be on the verge of breaking up, with the Islamist Pas group potentially joining Umno, the lead party in the National Front, after reports of previously undisclosed talks between the two parties.

“Pas leaders have assured me that they have no desire of leaving the Pakatan and joining Barisan [National Front] or merging with Umno,” said Mr Anwar. “They have kept me informed of their meetings with Umno. What has happened in the past few weeks is that government- controlled media – through careful leaks, manipulation and distortion of statements – has created this fairy tale that Pas and Umno are about to merge or share power. Having lost the support of the people, Umno is now trying to divide our coalition.

“Let me tell you: Pas is not joining Umno,” he said. “If Umno leaders believe they can rely on Pas or other members of Pakatan to save their sinking ship, they are dreaming.”


10 Responses to “Transcript: Anwar Ibrahim interviewed by Financial Times”


  1. 1 HMD Aug 1st, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    Good one here.

    Confident, brave & intelligent should come together. And you have all that needed in politics.

    Good luck in your by-election soon. Malaysian always pray hoping that Anwar will win in Permatang Pauh.

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  2. 2 desperado Aug 1st, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    indeed…umNo is dreaming all this long…

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  3. 3 Teacher Aug 1st, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    YES!! THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR!!

    NO WAY HOZAY UM-NO! GREAT DSAI

    YOU DOING WELL.. MAY ALLAH HELPS YOU THERE (PUTRAJAYA)!!!

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  4. 4 Tuan Yusoff b Tuan Mat Aug 1st, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Apa-apa yang terjadi adalah kehendak Allah subhanahutaala dan kita mesti terima dengan tenang dan sabar.Sebagai manusia kita tidak tahu hikmah sebalik satu-satu peristiwa itu, tetapi kita diberitahu olih nya yang benar itu tetap benar yang bathil tetap bathil.Dan tidak ada hijaz bagi doa orang yang dianiai.Datanglah sehebat dan sebijak mana perancangan manusia tetapi dia juga yang menentukan segala galanya.

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  5. 5 Kalajengking Aug 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    The PDRM should not be wasting valuable time in this…They should stop invetigaing the sodomy charges against DSAI and do something else can be value added to the nation….I don’t know why PDRM only interested in cases like “peaceful demonstration”, RPK and DSAI???? When people seek the truth and demand for justice, the rakyat being chased and charged in court or detain them in ISA…..
    DSAI we are and we will be there for you and will struggle with you for justice…

    Hidup Pakatan Rakyat.

    Thank you/Kalajenking.

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  6. 6 Suhaimi Said Aug 1st, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Yes, Mr Anwar, we’ll stand by you. We believe in your leadership, and we want you to take charge of the administration. This country, under a weak leaderhip, is crumbling. The Dollah is so weak that he would give power to THE NAJIB, who himself could not even carry the weight of Altantuya ghost.

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  7. 7 ANAK MELAYU SOMBONG Aug 2nd, 2008 at 12:03 am

    Financial Times interviewed Sdr Anwar is timely in view that the current economy and financial markets are coming down fast and hurting all walks of people life in Malaysia. Stagflation, weakening of rinngit, soaring prices, hike interest rates for hire purchases and increased crime rates are bad indicators that the BN government is a sinking titanic will eventually bring down the credibility of Malaysia in the eye of the world.

    Bravo!! Wan Azizah for her brave decision to retire from politic and let Sdr Anwar to contest the by-election in Penang. It is timely for him to walk talk into the Parliament and remove Pak Lah cronies together with UMNO corrupt regime out of power soonest possible. Otherwise, more Malaysians will continue to suffer and become hard core poor if the majority Malays are victims of UMNO continued to play racist politics and grab the rights from the medium and poor Malays in order to enrich their children, families, relatives and cronies at all expenses of true Malays.

    As Malays saying : ” Harap pagar berlindung, Pagar makan pagi”…dimana kroni-kroni UMNO amat sombong yang menjadi Ketuanan Melayu yang menindas kelemahaan dan kebodohan Melayu di semua kampong-kampong. Akan tetapi anak anak muda Melayu tak bodoh lagi dapat di tipu atau di tindas oleh kroni-kroni Melayu yang tamak dan korupsi kini. Tidak macam UMNO lama dizaman Tuanku Abdul Rahman dan Tun Hussein Onn yang menjaga kepentingan semua kaum kaum di Malaysia. Padahal zaman Pak Lah dan Najib ambil alih dari Tun Dr M, ekonomi dan kewangan negara semakin meleset dan lemah serta peningkatan penjenayah penjenayah tinggi. Manakala institusi polis, kehakiman dan PBR pulak semakin merosot dan tidak berwibawa di mata rakyat jelata sekarang.

    Kata pepatah Hang TuaH : ” MELAYU TIDAK AKAN HILANG DIDUNIA INI” memang tetap sekali selagi UMNO berkuasa maka masyarakat Melayu Tulin akan hilang cepat didunia kini dengan semakin banyak pendatang pendatang tanpa izin dari Indonesia, Pakistan, Filipina, Mymmar, Nepal dan Negro di Malaysia. Kedudukan Melayu kini tergugat bukan pasal kuam kuam Cina, India, Kadazan, Dusun atau Bumi orang asli tetapi akibat dari semua kelemahaan dan korupsi UMNO dan institusi kerajaan kini di tangan Pak Lah dan Najib.

    Sekian, Anak Melayu Moden

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  8. 8 Wahai Kawan Aug 2nd, 2008 at 1:41 am

    Dear DSAI,

    The question that may arise is, “Do you have to humiliate me in order to gain control” ?

    In the 1982 hit movie by Richard Attenborough, Mohandas K Gandhi words were sharper than a knife which brought down the British Empire rule in India. The massacre in Amritsar was an example of how intimidation & humiliation was used in order to gain control over the massive protest meeting attended by some 10,000 unarmed men, women, and children without issuing a word of warning, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. General Dyer who returned to England later was regarded a Hero (Savior of Pubjab) to many British admirers. (Taken from the internet, The Amritsar Massacre, Encyclopedia Brittanica).

    To quote from Lim Kit Siang’s blog, it was stated:-

    55 percent of 1,030 Malaysians interviewed in Peninsular Malaysia early this month do not believe the sodomy allegations leveled against Anwar. Only 11 percent believed in the allegations, while 26 percent said they did not know if the claims were true. Eight percent gave no response.

    From this opinion poll that may not serve in the best interest as evidence submission in court but nevertheless, the higher percentages raises indirect suggestions that pure intimidation & public humiliation strategies is deployed against a fellow Malaysian, a regrettable scenario for any person and his family to endure in.

    TAKE GOOD & FLY HIGH!

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  9. 9 jude jj lee Aug 2nd, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    All we need are people like the doctor who refused to be party to the conspiracy. Let us pray that many more such fair-minded people will stick their necks out for justice. Then only will justice be done in this country. These rogues must not be given any room whatsoever carry on with their evil schemes. Total eradication of the likes of them is what is needful.

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  10. 10 Wahai Kawan Aug 2nd, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Dear DSAI,

    Though I am not there with you physically, my heart is and I am confident that most other Malaysian who remain in silent feels the pain and humiliation that you and your family are going through.

    It’s very sad to see that such insulting strategies are used to confine you in your quest to become the next PM.

    TAKE GOOD & FLY HIGH

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